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“Someone Not Something”: The Titanic Returns to Southampton with the Iceberg in Tow

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In episode 43, I want to share an incident I found quite disturbing a few days ago and expand on it.

A few weeks ago, I did an episode on Gary L. Francione’s attempt to “own” aspects of vegan advocacy. I highlighted his actions in claiming the Be Fair Be Vegan campaign was “ripping him off” and “appropriating” his work. In my podcast episode 41, I pointed out that all the key ideas of veganism existed before Francione, including the term “abolitionist”.  I also noted that when Francione doesn’t find any substantive issues to raise, he will attack any abolitionist vegan as “ripping him off” and being “confused”, unless that person continually not only references Francione’s work, but specifically links to his Facebook page.

This week, an abolitionist advocate who runs the “Queer Vegan” Facebook page and WordPress site, put up a poster showing a non-human animal, with the caption “Someone, Not Something”. (Please note all the unfortunate comments by Francione moderators have been removed possibly by moderators themselves). No apologies or retractions for their false claims have been made. Queer Vegan has been attacked by moderators from Gary Francione’s page, for “failing to attribute it to Gary Francione”.

Here’s a screenshot of their response:

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With kind permission of Queer Vegan, I speak about this attack and their vulnerability at the time of this attack. And I speak about the historical pattern of Francione’s advocates claiming virtually any commonly used meme, phrase or idea as Francione’s personal property.

I go back to similar attacks on Joan Dunayer who too, was accused of stealing the ideas behind “Someone not something”, despite the fact that Dunayer had written about this and had written this phrase in 1990 in an article and Tom Regan had said this phrase in a famous speech in 1989 in the UK.

Although I address the disgraceful attack against Dunayer who is an academic, and an established animal rights theorist, I also would really like to point out that they kind of attack made against “Queer Vegan” is not even a dispute about theoretic property, it’s an attack on an advocate, simply putting up a poster on Facebook that is a three word phrase that is in common use.

Screen shot of my reference on Grumpy Old Vegans Facebook page

gov-attributionThanks to Dede River for her research on the issue of copyright and Dunayer’s response to Perz.

For background information on this issue:

Jeff Perz’s attack on Dunayer. And note: the Journal of Animal Law included Dunayer’s reply.  pps 49-66

which he reprinted here, without her response. http://www.speciesismreview.info/

Dunayer’s response to Perz

Abolitionist Advocates and Interpersonal Ethics

The Titanic Resurfaces and Collects the Deckchairs (Ep 41 Pt1)

 

An Emotional Response

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The Titanic Resurfaces and Collects the Deckchairs (Ep 41 Pt1)

TitanicPlease note the views expressed in this episode 41, Parts 1 and 2 are entirely my own.

Sept 6, 2016 UPDATE: The archived version of Angel Flinn’s interview is now available here.

I don’t know if you had the opportunity to listen to Bob Linden’s Go Vegan Radio segment live on air on August 21, where he interviews Angel Flinn (media coordinator of the BeFairBeVegan campaign. Angel Flinn by the way also happens to do outreach work for Gentle World. If you didn’t catch the interview live, then you’re in luck because although Bob Linden states on his page that it will be not be available in archive form on his Go Vegan Radio page, we managed to record it as it went to air. My last episode contained excerpts from Angel’s interview and I invite you to listen to it.

In this episode I’m going to share the unfortunate and rather seething attack that occurred live on the same Go Vegan Radio program by the guest appearing after Angel Flinn’s interview – Gary L Francione. We thought it might be informative to share the  rather vicious attack on Angel Flinn made by Professor Gary L. Francione and I clear up some misinformation in his live segment (7 minutes or so). Tune into Part 2  “And Then Sailed On To New York” where I discuss where many of the core ideas of veganism really came from.

 

 

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An Emotional Response

boiling potRecently, I was asked what emotional impact the behaviour that happens on online abolitionist pages has on me. I’ve spoken in an earlier podcast episode 25 about the facts of an online attack in mid-October 2015, and don’t feel the need to revisit that. In that episode, I made an effort to keep it factual and non-emotional. But the request made recently led me to consider how I feel,  not specifically about that attack, but about some of the bad behaviour I see daily within the “community”. I ask some questions. This podcast episode is the result. It’s not a detailed setting out of facts, like the previous one. It is, instead, my emotional response to the whole issue of aggression online. I chose to do it as stream of consciousness, rather than a more structured talk.

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